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Hiro vs. Kira

Do you have a character that you feel vs. any other character in the series would win? Or as far as coupling in a series are your views on it different then others? Debate all that here, but please remember keep it nice!

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Hiro vs. Kira

Postby ScubaMT » June 4th, 2007, 7:57 pm

Pretty much the reason for my joining of AC was for these two sick !$! animes, Gundam Wing and Gundam Seed. So I would like to know who you all think would win between Hiro in the Wing Zero equipped with the Zero System or Kira in the Freedom, while as they say becomes a (Berzerker).

I ask myself this question whenever I watch the two episodes, but my favor goes to Hiro.

Simply because Hiro was never afraid to die and Kira was not so much afraid but you can tell he was always worried and scared about the whole "I don't want to die yet" feeling.

Lets see your alls rebuttal!
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Postby Themax37 » June 4th, 2007, 9:32 pm

I would say Kira... his Gundam is far more advanced and Kira is the only one who could go in the SEED (Berserker) mode in the fight.
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Postby ScubaMT » June 4th, 2007, 11:06 pm

True, true, but when you think about it the Zero System functions as the SEED. Both of them increase the fighting strategys of the pilot.
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Postby Themax37 » June 4th, 2007, 11:21 pm

Wing Zero still doesn't compair to the Freedom. If they were to both have the same type of Gundam Hiro would win hands down I think.
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Postby ScubaMT » June 4th, 2007, 11:41 pm

:agree I didn't think of it that way but what you say is correct!
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Postby ned_2007 » August 4th, 2007, 10:06 pm

some of the arguments don't make sense, i won't bother to quote.

Freedom does have more weapons at its disposal but the WZ has the almighty Twin Buster Rifle (TBR) which also can be used as a normal beam rifle like Trowa did one time.

The biggest difference is the armor on both MS. How many times have you seen WZ get shot at but there seems any damage at all. For Freedom, Rau was able to blow up a few parts of the Freedom only using regular beam shots. Phase Shift armor only protects against ballistic weapons and not energy weapons while WZ gets shot left and right and still no significant damage.

Clarification, SEED gives better reaction time to the pilot and not more intelligence as seen in the anime. Zero system gives predictions and potential outcomes and strategies.

Next is skill level. Hero was bred to be the perfect soldier and Kira was by accident and survives because of SEED and Coordinator genes. Even if in berserk mode, Hero would still win because of more experience and better training.
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Postby Themax37 » August 5th, 2007, 10:39 am

Hiro never faced a Gundam or normal Mobile Suit as powerful as a Gundam in SEED so it still would be hard to tell.
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Postby kurpi » August 5th, 2007, 4:07 pm

themax37 wrote:Hiro never faced a Gundam or normal Mobile Suit as powerful as a Gundam in SEED so it still would be hard to tell.


I've actually never seen SEED because it's a copy of the original Gundam, except with 5 Gundams.

But, Epyon?
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Postby Themax37 » August 9th, 2007, 2:23 pm

kurpi wrote:
themax37 wrote:Hiro never faced a Gundam or normal Mobile Suit as powerful as a Gundam in SEED so it still would be hard to tell.


I've actually never seen SEED because it's a copy of the original Gundam, except with 5 Gundams.

But, Epyon?
Just watch it damnit.
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Postby ned_2007 » August 10th, 2007, 4:05 pm

i'm not sure what is your definition of powerful. power comes in many ways.

by your logic, it means Zechs and the Epyon were a farce. that Hiro never faced a powerful gundam such as those in SEED. a MS with just a big sword and heat rod ain't necessarily weak.

how about this, WZ can easily destroy space colonies in one shot. Wing Gundam was able to protect Lady Une inside from a shot from Libra with no injuries to herself.

Zechs was able to destroy the OZ Space Barge by himself. unlike Athrun, he had to sacrifice the Justice to destroy GENESIS. also Zechs was able to fend off 4 gundams at the same time by just using 3 Virgo mobile dolls until Noin messed up his concentration.

another on how armor is insane in Wing. how about the duel between Zechs and Hiro in the arctic. Zechs was using Tallgesse and Hiro was using Heavyarms. Clearly the Tallgesse was only able to whack the Heavyarms with its beam saber and wasn't able to deal significant damage. and the Heavyarms has the weakest armor of all the gundams in Wing.

with the current arsenal of Freedom, its needs to spam all its weapons in order to do damage. but for WZ just one shot from TBR, whether full blast or ordinary shot will hurt the Freedom.
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Postby Kousejin » September 17th, 2007, 6:43 pm

Ever since this debate came up i've been doing research when i can and the odds are that Kira would win and not just because of his SEED factor but you can't forget that he is the ultimate coordinator, he was born stronger than normal humans like Heero.
Not just that but did you ever stop and look at how long it take for the Wing to aim his beam cannon and fire it. 3 seconds, atleast. In that time the gundam is completely open to attack and if the attack is strong enough can cancel the fire, both Freedoms are strong and fast enough to do it. Even if it gets a chance to fire all the Freedom has to do is evade and for the duration of Wing cannon fire the Freedom has a still target.
I cant forget to say that the Zero System has never face a nuclear powered Gundam with PS Armor or the DRAGOON system if you think of Strike Freedom and a coordinator like Kira with the SEED. The fact is the Zero System is a computer and a computer is only as accurate as the information it has in memory.
In short Kira beats Heero
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Postby saddaminsane29 » October 9th, 2007, 9:24 pm

We are forgetting that Kira doesn't pilot the Freedom anymore, he pilots the Strike Freedom, which is arguably the most powerful mobile suit ever built.

WZ is initially faster. It has a better power-weight ratio...much better. But when you factor in Wings Of Light and HiMAT mode, the WZ is still faster, but not drastically.

Strike Freedom obviously outguns the thing. WZ has the buster rifle, but it still doesnt compare to the 5 guns plus DRAGOONs of the Strike Freedom.

WZs armor doesnt matter at all due to one weapon - the positron cannon in Strike Freedom's chest. Positrons are the antimatter form of electrons. When they come into contact with an electron, they convert each other into 100% pure energy. It doesn't make any difference weather WZ is made of gundanium or gundarium or whatever - as long as its made of matter, the chest cannon can kill it very easily. And it is. Made of matter that is.

Now lets get to the Pilots.

I am not going to pay any attention to training because it doesnt matter, its how they are RIGHT NOW.

Heero has a very simple and ineffective fighting style. He stands in one spot and blasts away mobile suits with his gun. Thats a fact. In close quarters he is a bit better but hes not really creative or quick.

Kira on the other hand consistently pulls of rediculous dodges and still kills more MSes than WZ ever could, and if you dont believe me you really have never seen SEED.

So what if heero has been trained all his life? He is no coordinator. He doesnt have the reflexes, instinct, or skills as a coordinator. Much less the ultimate coordinator. Prove me wrong.
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Postby Suraken » October 10th, 2007, 12:26 pm

Well it may be true the freedom is more advanced and stronger, you can`t count ou7t the pilots themselves, and I think between the two hiro is physically much stronger.
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Postby Suraken » October 10th, 2007, 12:32 pm

Another detail I think people are overlooking, the fact that gundam wing is an older anime. If you look you cn see that animation wasn`t all that advanced in decades past, and the rendition of speed wasn`t done as well as it is today, so the speed of the wing in comparison to the freedom might fall down to the avancement of the animation itself and how fast and detailed the frames could be put together in gundam wing.
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Postby bustword » April 29th, 2008, 4:26 pm

If wing zero and strike freedom fought the fight should be similar to gundam seed episode 50 where Providence and freedom fought. Wing zero would be freedom and strikefreedom would be Providence. I do believe that wingzero is faster and probably could evade the dragoon guns. I do like wing zero more but I do believe strikefreedom is more stronger. Actually i think that stirke freedom is to powerful. To me the regular freedom was powerful enough but when strikefreedom appeal it was to powerful. Dragoon system is really a big CHEAT. WINGZERO Forever!!!
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